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Beck vs Jones: The Color of Revenge

Fri Sep 4, 2009 11:04 PM EDT
politics, jones, communist, van, revenge, glen-beck, scare-tactics, colorofchange
By Blearc
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Well lets start a the beginning shall we?

ColorofChange.org started an online petition to convince advertisers to pull their advertisements from Glenn Becks program after Glen started pushing the idea that Obama was a racist (who must hate his grandparents), since that time Beck has also been accusing Obama of all sorts of fun stuff. Obama policies show he's after reparations, he's a communist, a socialist, a fascist, whatever scares you more I guess. And we can't leave out his expose how the NBC building is in the Rockefeller Center with all sorts of Communist symbols. Somebody forgot to tell he the FOX building that he broadcasts from is in............. wait for it........... the Communist Rockefeller Center. Then he goes on to call all the republican Rockefeller's that they were progressives.

The boycott campaign for the most part has been quite successful 57 advertisers have pulled ads from his show. Its been reported that those advertisers still advertise on Fox, though I'm guessing here, Fox has some type of standard clause in their advertising contracts to protect their revenue. Sargento one of the advertisers that pulled their ads had this to say:

"We market our products to people regardless of their political affiliations," she said. "Yet we do not want to be associated with hateful speech used by either liberal or conservative television hosts."

Seems pretty reasonable to be.

Now on to Van Jones.

About a week after this started Beck started on a "hard-hitting" expose on Obama's communistic socialistic fascist whatever scares you more "expose" his main target being Van Jones Obama's green energy jobs czar (its spelled tsar, but whatever ) Personally I've only watched a couple of the shows and I've seen some other people explain it.

1. Van Jones said in a townhall "Republicans are @!$%#s" Here's the video. Now when you watch the video he was obviously talking about the Republicans in Washington. But of course that's not how its being presented.

2. Van Jones signed an online "truther" petition. He claims he didn't read the entire petition and doesn't believe that the government had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. Fair enough, that might be something on him. The problem as I see it, are those calling for his resignation over it are applying a double standard to all the GOP members who were birthers, untill they got punked of course. No one called for the GOP congressmen who sent out a mailers to all his constituents showing the "facts" of the birther movement.

3. Van Jones declared he became a communist after the Rodney King incident, this is from wiki:

In 1992, while still a law student at Yale, Jones participated as a volunteer legal monitor for a protest of the Rodney King verdict in San Francisco. He and many other participants in the protest were arrested. The district attorney later dropped the charges against Jones. The arrested protesters, including Jones, won a small legal settlement. Jones later said that "the incident deepened my disaffection with the system and accelerated my political radicalization."[10] Jones said he was "a rowdy nationalist"[11] before the King verdict was announced. By August of that year, he said, "I was a communist."[11] Jones's activism was also spurred on by witnessing racial inequality in New Haven: "I was seeing kids at Yale do drugs and talk about it openly, and have nothing happen to them or, if anything, get sent to rehab...And then I was seeing kids three blocks away, in the housing projects, doing the same drugs, in smaller amounts, go to prison."[9]

Now if we started requiring people to quit Washington because of things they said or did in college, we'd have to call for the resignation of American Taliban Bob McDonell of Virginia:

At age 34, two years before his first election and two decades before he would run for governor of Virginia, Robert F. McDonnell submitted a master's thesis to the evangelical school he was attending in Virginia Beach in which he described working women and feminists as "detrimental" to the family. He said government policy should favor married couples over "cohabitators, homosexuals or fornicators." He described as "illogical" a 1972 Supreme Court decision legalizing the use of contraception by unmarried couples."

I'm sure theirs more and I'll let the Glennviners fill in the blanks.

So what does ColorofChange, Glenn Beck, Van Jones and revenge have to do with one another?

I was a bit confused until a viner made the statement "Look at their website, its nothing but angry black people" Honestly I hadn't looked at their website and was amused to see the picture on the front with the smiling black youths one holding a microphone. Typical statement, but shrugged it off and dug a little farther into the website. Under the "about" section all the way at the bottom you find this:

Former Staff
Van Jones (Co-founder, inactive)

While Van hasn't been active in the work of ColorOfChange in recent years, we are proud of where his work las led him. After helping ColorOfChange get started in 2005, Van moved on to other pursuits. In 2007, he founded and served as the executive director of Green For All, an organization dedicated to creating opportunities for low-income communities connected to the greater effort of addressing climate change. Van now serves as Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

So basically, Glenn struck back. Fair enough, that is his right; as is our right to know his true motivations.

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Blearc

The circus of politics sure is fun isn't it?

  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 11:11 PM EDT
ThreeCents

Glenn Beck is just mindless entertainment. No real insight, nothing thought provoking, nothing that requires anything more advanced than a functioning thalamus to react to.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 11:30 PM EDT
JoulesBeef

lol figures.. sounded like they were digging deep.
OMG he's a truther.
OMG he was once a communist.
even if that was true.. he is just an aid..and it is just an ideology.. it isnt satanism.. just a different standard of thought.

IF we are going to condemn him for that.. there are a ton of goprs that should go down.. from palin to huckabee.

good detective work.
also if you notice on color of change.. one of the guys is white.(the guy on the far right with the headset)

I saw the angry black people comment as well..and it really smelt like the standard bigotry down south.
and remember that is how they tried to paint michelle.. with all their talk about a "hate whitey" tape that never surfaced.

  • 10 votes
#1.2 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 11:46 PM EDT
JERRY COLEMAN

Blearc

The circus of politics sure is fun isn't it?

Mr Beck have said and done everything he can to disgrace the president and the only thing i can see is he is looking for revenge, Mr Beck have been using the tactic that Mccarthy used in the fifties to tryand make a name for himself and he have, this man have shown that he is a racist and a bigot and fox gives him the airwaves to spread his hate and inflame the loonies to strike at the president, fox have been implicated in one murder with the guise of free speech and fox turn the other way.

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 3:05 AM EDT
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redmichigan

Glenn exposed Van Jones' radical past before the boycott was started. So because the entire premise of your little hit piece is wrong, perhaps another question should be asked. Since Beck had exposed Van Jones , an advisor to the President who co- founded the activist group ,Color of Change, and Color of Change organized the boycott against Glenn Beck. Then who was retaliating against whom? And did the sponsors who dropped their Beck ads get letters from regular citizens or was there pressure applied from a much more powerful platform? BTW the boycott has worked so well it has helped push Beck into the number one spot and increased his audience by millions.

  • 7 votes
#2 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 11:41 PM EDT
JoulesBeef

ratings arent worth @!$%#.. if you cant sell ads based on them.

  • 10 votes
#2.1 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 11:48 PM EDT
Blearc

fair enough red, but if you make the claim you really need to back it up with some facts.

And red, jerry springer and WWE both had/have alot of ratings, doesn't make it credible. plus those ratings include the many like me that watch it for a laugh.

But Beck's attacks of Van Jones did not start until after he started losing advertisers, but I could be wrong. Here I'll help:

James, Gabriel, William, Dani and the rest of the ColorOfChange.org team
July 30th, 2009

Thats the date when colorofchange started this campaign.

  • 10 votes
#2.2 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 11:55 PM EDT
JoulesBeef

do you have kinks to when beck started to talk about van jones?

  • 6 votes
#2.3 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 11:59 PM EDT
RonBlack66

"ratings arent worth @!$%#.. if you cant sell ads based on them." -- Joules

I haven't seen any dead airtime during Beck's commercial breaks. Seems the spots are still being filled. When this so-called boycott eventually fizzles out (as they all do) and these advertisers come back with hat in hand begging for their former prime advertising spots, Fox should raise their advertising prices on these companies by 10-15%.

Oh, and if you think Fox has lost money during this boycott, you would be wrong. Legal contracts are signed when advertising space is sold. Knowing the controversial nature of their "talking heads" and the modus operandi of leftist's to boycott advertisers, you can bet that Fox News Channel has legal jargon in these contracts protecting them from advertisers that choose to opt-out early. Something along the lines of a multi-million dollar penalty for opting out prior to the expiration date. Multiply that number by the number of advertisers that chose to pull their advertising, then add the new advertising dollars that FNC recieves from those that took over these vacated spots, and in all likelihood, this boycott actually increased FNC's revenue.

So due to increased viewership and increased revenue in their advertising department, Fox News Channel would like to take this opportunity to thank you. And would like to encourage you all to boycott future advertisers at your earliest convenience.

  • 5 votes
#2.4 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 12:36 AM EDT
ThreeCents

Sorry Ron. People like to slow down to check out traffic accidents more that they'd slow down to watch Rembrandt paint. Not buying the idea that whoever draws the biggest audience is the one who is saying the most well thought out stuff. By your metric you think whats-her-face was making music worth listening to. Not sold. Yeah, some might argue the ratings things with you; they can do that. I am not swayed. Glenn Beck is a waste to me.

  • 8 votes
#2.5 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:02 AM EDT
Blearc

So Ron and Red, did I get all the issues that the Glen has with Van? I'm surprised, with all this fervor I expected more.

  • 6 votes
#2.6 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:05 AM EDT
ThreeCents

Blearc,

Give Glenn that extra "n". He hasn't got much so grant him the double "n" before he starts crying.

  • 4 votes
#2.7 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:08 AM EDT
Blearc

Thanks for that, I'll go fix it.

  • 3 votes
#2.8 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:11 AM EDT
ThreeCents

Blearc,

Glenn's panties just became a little less twisted.

  • 2 votes
#2.9 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:15 AM EDT
Blearc

Lol,

I've been listening to this guy for years now, he was up against Art Bell for the longest time. So his conspiracy focus isn't new.

I was really surprised when he got a gig on CNN though I think he alone had alot to do with their decision to no longer allow radio commentators on their panels.

  • 5 votes
#2.10 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:20 AM EDT
ThreeCents

I think he alone had alot to do with their decision to no longer allow radio commentators on their panels.

I agree. Do you know if the NPR folks are excluded too? That a bad side effect IMO.

  • 3 votes
#2.11 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:26 AM EDT
Blearc

It would be, NPR is how I listened to the last election, I was out canvasing and came home to no TV, I had just moved and hadn't got cable yet. Got me hooked.

Oh I have to another edit, the advertiser total is up to 57 now:

http://blearc.newsvine.com/_news/2009/09/05/3227981-11-new-companies-pledge-not-to-run-additional-ads-on-glenn-beck-program-new-total-57

  • 3 votes
#2.12 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:35 AM EDT
ThreeCents

I really, really don't like NPR music (sorry Jazz enthusiasts) but they're depth in news reporting is orders of magnitude better than any of the the competition. I've stopped watching TV news except the first 10 minutes of the local news when I am at home. On travel, I see some of what the other yahoos have to offer. I get my license-to-bitch card punched then.

  • 4 votes
#2.13 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:44 AM EDT
Blearc

On the music, I'll agree on the Jazz but I love when they do Celtic or American Indian, the diversity is good.

  • 2 votes
#2.14 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:51 AM EDT
redmichigan

Joules, I have a few kinks but only from working on the roof today. :)

Here is a link though. Beck spoke of Jones past on July 23, 28 , and 31.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/30/howard-kurtz-glenn-beck-attacking-van-jones-because-ad-boycott

  • 2 votes
#2.15 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:54 AM EDT
ThreeCents

Blearc,

Just an idea: do you think if we worked hard we could make a playlist for Glenn, we might have chance of making him a worthwhile person? Maybe NPR jazz isn't the answer. I am thinking of some Woody Guthrie songs...

  • 2 votes
#2.16 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 2:11 AM EDT
Blearc

So a week before August 30th Glenn Beck started attacking Van Jones, according to your article. Which is pretty much how I remember it.

ColorofChange started their campaign on July 30th.

Keep looking.

  • 2 votes
#2.17 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 2:13 AM EDT
Blearc

Oh and more problems with your time line, here's the first article I could find, from August 12th:

http://www.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUSTRE57C07920090813

Here, let me teach you about research:

http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ncl=d71IpP9ykE64J5M11H2WgOqc2VRRM

  • 2 votes
#2.18 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 2:34 AM EDT
JERRY COLEMAN

redmichigan

Glenn exposed Van Jones' radical past before the boycott was started. So because the entire premise of your little hit piece is wrong, perhaps another question should be asked. Since Beck had exposed Van Jones , an advisor to the President who co- founded the activist group ,Color of Change, and Color of Change organized the boycott against Glenn Beck. Then who was retaliating against whom? And did the sponsors who dropped their Beck ads get letters from regular citizens or was there pressure applied from a much more powerful platform? BTW the boycott has worked so well it has helped push Beck into the number one spot and increased his audience by millions.

So you believe that what Beck said about the president hating white people was alright and that he have the right to disrespect the president with such disdain and hate is all right, the venom that talk radio and fox news is doing to the country may not be repairable, while the whole world watches people in this country have called the president everything but the president,

  • 1 vote
#2.19 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 3:20 AM EDT
redmichigan

He has the right to say what he wishes , as do you and I at least for a while and except , of course on Newsvine . When did I comment about that issue?

On radio 3 times in July he exposed Jones past. Where do you get it wasn't until late August? The transcripts linked are from July 23 and July 28.

  • 3 votes
#2.20 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 3:58 AM EDT
RonBlack66

"So you believe that what Beck said about the president hating white people was alright and that he have the right to disrespect the president with such disdain and hate is all right..." -- Jerry Coleman

As an American, Glenn Beck has as much right to say these things about President Obama as Kanye West had to say, "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

What are you implying? That only black people are free to make such statements?

  • 3 votes
#2.21 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 5:20 AM EDT
Ms. B

Kanye West was right for the depth of Pres Bush 'caring' was to not help Katrina victims but that was ok with you. But Beck stated that a half white Pres. Obama 'hated' white people and that is ok with you? Right?

  • 2 votes
#2.22 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 9:45 AM EDT
redmichigan

Since you telling us what we believe, I will project the same to you. It appears you believe Beck , does not have the First amendment right to say anything that offends you and that you have the right to censor such speech.

  • 2 votes
#2.23 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 11:26 AM EDT
dsanthony

kanye west is a racist and thug.

  • 3 votes
#2.24 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 12:28 PM EDT
RonBlack66

My question was directed at Jerry Coleman, Ms. B, but since you asked:

Yes, it is okay with me that Glenn Beck says Barack Obama hates white people. Just as Kanye West had his reasons for believing what he believes, so too does Glenn Beck. You know why, Ms. B? Because I still believe in freedom of speech for Americans. Even those who's opinions are different than mine.

Let me ask you, Ms. B. Does a white person have a right to show disrespect towards President Obama? Does a black person have a right to show disrespect towards a white president?

  • 1 vote
#2.25 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 6:57 PM EDT
Therese Nelson

Dear Red,

Good Post! I think this should be reviewed by those on the Vine with some real credence.

God Bless,

T

  • 2 votes
#2.26 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 8:17 PM EDT
moonstream1Deleted
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Ms. B

Also you both can not read for it stated that Van Jones is NOT part of 'Color' but has started a new group but hey keep the lie going if it makes you happy.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 9:46 AM EDT
Greeneyes2u

Van Jones said in a townhall "Republicans are @!$%#s" Here's the video. Now when you watch the video he was obviously talking about the Republicans in Washington. But of course that's not how its being presented.

Sorry but this spin doesn't spin.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 9:57 AM EDT
ThreeCents

Did I hear Van Jones call himself one too? If so, that kind of changes how I see it.

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 10:29 AM EDT
Greeneyes2u

"obviously talking about the Republicans in Washington"

Take off your rose colored glasses.

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 11:21 AM EDT
ThreeCents

Ouch.

I wasn't referring to how Van Jones comment was characterized here. My reaction was based on watching the video itself.

  • 2 votes
#4.3 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 11:34 AM EDT
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redmichigan

Who cares abou the repubs are -holes comment?

Try this- anti- law enforcement activist, associate of terrorists at Weather Underground, turned radical anarchist in prison, joiner of the Communist party, organizer of a revolutionary movement STORM, associated with Black Panthers,........ Any of this that might tend to jump out at somebody in say.... the FBI ....doing a background check ....... for a close ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT?

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 11:38 AM EDT
Blearc

Red I'm not sure where you getting the Weather underground and applying it to Van Jones. The in prison state ment ignores basic facts:

The district attorney later dropped the charges against Jones. The arrested protesters, including Jones, won a small legal settlement.

Your going to a bit extremes with your statement there.

Red, I want to try something.

Imagine that Rodney King was a memeber your personal racial/ religious/ political community. Now watch the video of him getting beat down replacing Mr. King with someone that fit your community. Now how would you feel if law enforcement got off scott free?

How would you have reacted

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 11:44 AM EDT
redmichigan

I doubt that I would start burning buildings, looting , and pulling people out of passing cars to beat their heads in with a bricks.

  • 3 votes
#5.2 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 10:08 PM EDT
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dsanthony

I'm no fan of beck... but in these days when the media is refusing to report accurately on obama, it is important that there are voices willing to counter the official propaganda being offered as news by msnbc. As for jones, he is just the latest radical stalinist being put forward by obama as the future leaders of america -- and america should tremble at the world they will live in when their political and social lives are dictated by obama, rahm, mini-rahm, wright, gate, ayers and now jones.

Your analogy between jones and mcdonald is based on flawed logic, and a poor understaning of american democracy. jones was appointed by obama, and obama is directly accountable for that appointment. jones must be kicked to the curb. mcdonald was elected by popular vote. If he breaks a law or violates the public trust in some way, he can be removed from office -- otherwise, the people will decide whether or not to keep him in the next election.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 12:27 PM EDT
Blearc

I don't really see the comparison as flawed considering that McDonnell's taliban like desires taught to him by the far right (as opposed to far left) where only recently uncovered.

By the way besides Van Jones who else is the right claiming of Obama's advisers are "radical stalinists?" as you put it.

  • 4 votes
#6.1 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 12:37 PM EDT
ThreeCents

Curious to know if there are any non-radical Stalinists in the Admin too.

  • 5 votes
#6.2 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 12:39 PM EDT
dsanthony

jones was appointed, mcdonnell was elected. If you can't see the difference, you are unable to understand the nature of american democracy.

THere are many radical stalinists in the obama administration. I'm at starbucks now and don't have time to provide a list for you. mini-rahm comes to mind, along with the energy czar. The undersecretary with extreme writings on population control is another. I'll cobble together a full list at another time.

  • 4 votes
#6.3 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 12:42 PM EDT
Blearc

dsanthony, I would suggest you read the entire paper "mini-Rahm" wrote and not just the out of context snipets that Faux provides for you.

Also on population control both sides are debating DALYs (Disability Adjusted Life Years) and one of the main points for not expanding preventative care is the extra burden and cost of people living longer.

This isn't some left idea, this concept is found in educated papers on both sides of the issue (Heritage uses the concept too). Its also in the 2004 CBO report that's sited as the arguement against cost savings of preventative care.

If all your going to use as your arguments are "facts" handed to you by Rush, Drudge and Faux, your doing yourself a great disservice.

  • 4 votes
#6.4 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 12:56 PM EDT
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Marcella Walters

I was confused as a new member and voted in error. Oops! How do I unvote? This author is nasty and should read The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck is Right.

  • 4 votes
Reply#7 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 7:04 PM EDT
ThreeCents

I don't think you can unvote. I've done the same thing a couple of times. It happens.

I think when you first come to NV, you can't cut and past a link into your comments. The editorial is in the American Spectator and is authored by Jeff Lord formerly of the Reagan Adminstration. I reviewed the article and can't bring myself to provide the link but perhaps you can. I know that you could if you choose to seed the article yourself.

  • 1 vote
#7.1 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 7:22 PM EDT
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